Visionary Huddle
We are living through a crisis of meaning. Young people especially are more confused than ever about who they are and what they were made for.
Visionary Huddle exists to bring clarity.
This podcast helps young leaders, entrepreneurs, students, professionals, and creatives make sense of a rapidly changing world through a recovery of Christian anthropology and the theology of work, seeing humans as image-bearers of God, called to build what is good.
Hosted by Lucas Cecilio, working at the intersection of vocational formation, leadership, and entrepreneurship.
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Most people are waiting for clarity before they begin. But what if clarity comes because you begin?
In this episode, Lucas reflects on what he learned from creating the first season of the podcast: innovation is rarely premeditated, entrepreneurship is often far less glamorous than we imagine, and some of the most meaningful things in life only become possible once you actually start.
From building businesses and creating content to following God’s call, discovering your vocation, and faithfully developing what has been entrusted to you, Lucas and the team talk about the power of momentum, the importance of community, and why you don't have to have everything figured out before taking the first step.
You can keep planning. You can keep waiting. You can keep criticizing from the sidelines.
Or you can start now.
And maybe the next step will show you what the next step is.
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Innovation, write that down. Innovation is rarely premeditated. Why does that matter? Because in order to innovate, you must be doing something in real time. If you are not doing something, it's the whole idea of momentum. Like you know, you get that object moving once you got you keep you gotta do the first trigger, and then you keep building the momentum, and the innovation will come as you work. Like, you better believe that there we have made a tons of mistakes on this morning. Good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are in the world. This is the last episode of season one. I am very excited for where we have been. Very proud of the work we have done. Um here with DeMarcus, our producer, and Tayu. Uh, my guy that keeps me on track, which I very much appreciate and need. I'm excited for season two, but I'm excited for where we are, and from at least from this moment in time, February 2nd of 2026, we have not posted anything yet. I now from the moment that you, the listener, will listen to this.
SPEAKER_02Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_01Um, yeah, so I'm excited. I'm excited for today. Talk to us, got us there. I don't know, you're gonna you're gonna need you're gonna help me today.
SPEAKER_03I am, I am and then I gotta help you whenever you ask me to help you, you know. So I I want to go and reflect on some episodes, but you know we're kind of talking, talking with Demarcus, and it's I mean, you got 12 episodes done. Wild podcast, man. Wild. I imagine there's some things that you learned on the way. Yeah. Wow. Things that might make recording a podcast a little bit easier. Yeah. Things that might make discussion like this a little bit more intentional. I'd love for you to start off with some random thoughts, things that are popping out, things that are that you think are just natural wisdom.
SPEAKER_01I love that. You know, one thing that is interesting, I I don't know where I've heard this. There's a lot of wisdom there, and I will tie this to the podcast. When you think about an entrepreneur, and I'm and I'm asking you, like when you think about an entrepreneur, uh, what person comes to mind? First person that comes to mind.
SPEAKER_03First entrepreneur for me is Kanye.
SPEAKER_01Kanye. Oh no, the man is legit. Hold on. Was Kanye like doing like a concert in Mexico? Was it really?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it was so cool. I ain't gonna lie. The 30th and 31st of his daughter out there, he played. I mean, the set list is crazy. Really? Yes, bro. In the States, but he's on, it's amazing. He's in this uh this arena that's from like 1946. They bull riding in it.
SPEAKER_00That's crazy. That is actually wild. No, I wasn't that is really wild. That is really wild.
SPEAKER_03It wasn't there. Demarcus asked if I was there, I was not there. That would have been a ride. That would have been a bull ride. It's crazy, bro. But yeah, no, Kanye. It was cool, yeah. Okay, Kanye for me.
SPEAKER_01Okay, yep. For me, like I would think of like like Elon Musk, you know, first person to come to mind. Here's what is interesting. Why don't we think about uh uh the the guy that has a plumbing business for 40 years? Yeah, he's an entrepreneur too, yeah. And of course, like we when we ask about entrepreneurs, like what comes to mind is people that dominate culture, yes, usually, right? Here's the here's the issue. If all of our examples are people that let's be honest, the minority of people, and it is the very minority of people in the world that will accomplish even half of what these guys accomplished, then we end up having a bunch of examples that are unrealistic examples. Yes. And some of the best entrepreneurs, I mean, the backbone of the American economy are the small businesses. But those people are often never seen as entrepreneurs, and uh often then the next generation or the younger generation, they never see the small business owners as the people to emulate. Why? Because often they see their jobs as an as a boring job. Here's what I've learned. I've learned that there's a lot of glamour in the word entrepreneur, especially in our days. Uh hustle and innovation, a lot of glamour there. Venture capital, right? Like, oh, tech, all of this, because of our generation. Entrepreneurship oftentimes is boring. Why? Because in order, it's almost like if you are an entrepreneur, it's almost like you are like you were giving birth to something. Yeah. A lot of the giving birth process, like for I remember when my wife was pregnant. I mean, for most months, I mean, there's not much happening.
SPEAKER_03It's true.
SPEAKER_01I mean, she's growing a human being inside of her, but even for the very first few months, it's not really visible, and then it starts becoming visible. But I mean, then you have pain, and then you get accustomed to the pain, and then you know, I mean, at least from my wife's experience, from what she told me, but even I mean, it it's the pro it's that process that it's painful. For a lot of times, it kind of looks like the same, and then you give birth, and now we gotta take care of our child. A lot of people think that the entrepreneurial thing is like it's the same. Have you watched Suits? The show? I love suits. Yeah, every time I watch suits, I want to be a lawyer.
SPEAKER_04You'd be a great.
SPEAKER_01How tough would that be? You know, like see Harvey Specter, my mentor. My you know what I'm saying? Like, that's tough. Here's the reality being a lawyer is not that sexy, you know, like being a lawyer is not that sexy vibe, like New York City, you're kind of walking tough, and every conversation is a negotiation, you're kind of vibing. I don't I think most of the time, like you are just uh I mean going to sleep at three in the morning, analyzing all this process and thinking all your arguments. But every time people watch suits, even somebody that would ever be good as a lawyer, they want to be a lawyer because they portray this crazy magnificent thing that we do with entrepreneurship. That I mean, often people do with entrepreneurship, and I have to be careful even like even with the way I talk because I'm an enthusiastic person. I don't want to sell an idea of an entrepreneurship that it's not real. And the reality, and I've learned this, and I'm sure you did too in this podcast that in order in order for us to come up with something cool, hoping this podcast will be cool. It's been cool, it's been cool, like recording so far. But here's the reality that nobody sees. You have to wake up early because we record at 6 a.m. at our church's studio. Have to wake up at like at the latest 5:30. In fact, funny thing, today I was late. I mean, I arrived at 6 14, sure, even though I said my ETA by memory, oh, it's probably 6 10 et estimated time of arrival, 6 10 a.m. I was here at 6 14. Why? Because I thought that I could drive to church, get ready in 20 minutes. Well, I was not able to. My point is, is the normal thing every week. How many episodes did we have to re-record it? In fact, this technically supposed to be episode 12, but what if we re-record even this one? You know what I'm saying? Like, there are episodes that I know we have to re go back and re-record. My point is, how many people like maybe you are listening to us, you want to have a podcast, and you have this, you have this hyper uh glamoured view of what it is to have a podcast. Dude, all that you need is have like stuff to say, you know, you plan it out. It's the planning is so boring to do. Like it's so, I mean, that's not much of my nature, like, but it is boring. If you want to have it, you gotta plan it out. You do that boring job. Most more what I'm saying is most of it is boring. Yes, that's why you look at the small business owners that have been owners of a business for a plumbing, a plumbing business, a gate repair business for 40 years, for 30 years, for something, those are the entrepreneurs to emulate. Why? Because they've been faithful, faithfully building for 40 years a service that is around them. They know the job. They might work 40, 50, 60 hours a week on like on their business or in their business, right? Trying to now work on their business by establishing the right staff and developing the right process and stuff. But most of entrepreneurship is just being faithful with what God has entrusted you. You see a problem in the world, now you go you want to go about and solving it, and you do it for decades. But I don't think we have enough people in the world. Well, I have a lot of people that are that love the word entrepreneurship and innovation, but we don't have enough people to that will finish it. That's what I'm proud of. Like, dude, this is episode 12. This was at the very least 12 hours of content. We've been recording since what, since October, I think.
SPEAKER_03Sounds right.
SPEAKER_01So that's I mean, that's it's February now. It's four months recording, waking up early in the morning and recording. I appreciate you guys for doing this. I I guys, I think we did it. We didn't post it yet, but I think we did it. That's a big deal. So that's what I've learned.
SPEAKER_03I I think that's great. I want to make sure I include DeMus in our conversation today. Is there anything which you'd like to chime in or any thoughts ran through your mind? Here's the mic, brother.
SPEAKER_05Hello, hello.
SPEAKER_01This is the first time you're talking on this show.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, my man. I man, I I think I agree with everything you said. And one thing that really stands out to me, and this has been uh what we've done here and been able to accomplish has encouraged me as an entrepreneur as well. Huh. When you came to me and you asked me if I could help with this, I was unsure.
SPEAKER_01Really? Why? Because I'm a crazy guy that would drop it on episode five.
SPEAKER_05No, no, because no, the reason why, and here's a really important thing, I think, is I've seen people try and do this so many times and fail.
SPEAKER_01Huh.
SPEAKER_05You know, and I've even been a part of podcasts doing exactly what I'm doing now, and it just, you know, I put in a lot of work and it never got released. You know, so there's a little bit of uh maybe just doubt that comes with the an ever an endeavor like this. Yeah. But I believe in you, you know, and I had something happened in me where I had to put my trust in God and put my trust in what God's doing in you. You know, I don't believe in I don't believe in podcasts be necessarily just because everybody's got a podcast, you know. True, but I believe in what you're talking about here, and I and I believe in you, I believe in what God's doing in your heart. So it was I I took consideration. I when you asked me, I was kind of like, let me get back to you because I gotta really think about it. I remember that. Yeah, and it took me a couple days. Um, but when I said yes, I'm glad I did because it it it modeled for me trust in God for one. It's a weird thing because you know, I had to model it for myself, and and watching Thayu be so down for it as as well. Also modeled for me what can happen when you put your trust in the endeavor and you put your trust in the process that God is leading you through. You know, and wow, as I'm getting into building my own businesses and my own structures and stuff like that, I I think I have a renewed faith in the and in what happens when you ask for help as an entrepreneur, you know, because yeah, what do you mean? Like, talk more about that. Like, I sometimes I I think I doubt it because I just don't trust people. You know, I I doubt a lot of ideas, I doubt a lot of the process because I don't trust people, but it's really hard to do it without people, you know? It's extremely hard. So watching us be able to do this, and you know, I'm not trying to give glow any glory to myself because this is this has been something that is a learning process, and and we have to give glory to God for this all even happening in the first place. Yeah, you know, whether this comes out or not, I believe it is going to be. Oh, you know, so here we go. But you know, you when you ask for help and and you you trust and you and you believe in what's happening, there's it just it feels different. And I'm at the place right now where I am encouraged, extremely encouraged in my own endeavors. So in this this whole thing is like a story writing itself, you know? Like it's a it's a beautiful thing. So I'm happy to be able to do it Wow.
SPEAKER_01The question that must be asked is are you going to be here for season two?
SPEAKER_05Are you in my mind right now? Yes, yeah, I'm I'm for this thing.
SPEAKER_01You better be here because I mean, I don't know if you know this, but you already signed a contract.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_01Thank you for saying that. I appreciate the trust. Uh, one thing that you told me, one thing that you told me, it's something on the lines of innovation. Like how the process do you do you remember that? You said something about the process of innovation. Do you remember that? Yeah, what did it do? What did you say? It was when I first called you. I remember vividly because I don't remember exactly the quote, but I remember vividly vividly where I was. I was walking on the street in like in my neighborhood with my AirPods on and really believing it that this was the time to release something. I've been I've been a part of podcasts too, and uh I always wanted to do something uh of my own. But here's one thing that I learned uh uh nothing in the kingdom of God moves on earth without people. So that's how God established. So we were talking earlier about some stuff, you know. I won't even get to it. I would just drop it a little bit for you guys to be curious, you know. We're talking about before before, you know, like playing the record button on the computer. We're talking about if God can save people, if the preaching of every single preacher in America is messed up. I mean, it's not, by the way. Just I mean, there's fantastic there are fantastic pastors, fantastic preachers. You know, you too are men of the word, you love the word. Like our we go to fantastic churches. I am so glad for what God is doing in the US right now. But just you know, just out of just making uh just theorizing about the world, we're talking about that. And uh it it led me to this moment to of thinking God, he he it's not that he needs people, but he does he he decided that he wanted to do things on the earth through people. There is a verse in the minor prophets that says that God won't do anything on earth until he speaks to his servants, the prophets. So there is something there we can create an entire argument for how the church is his prophetic witness today, and God won't do stuff in the church unless, uh in the world, unless the church is responding to what God wants to do in society. That's a whole nother episode. But with the podcast, I had been convinced, I was so convinced and convicted that there was no way that I would be able to do a podcast without other people. I don't know if you guys know this, but I have a mic in my house. Like I've bought a mic about a year and a half ago or so, and it's sitting on top of my bookshelf. I've never used, I never opened that box. Uh I bought it because in my mind I was like, it's so easy to do a podcast. I can just open it and open a box and press play on the whatever free software that I can find, record it and post it out there. The issue is I don't think I was destined to do it alone. So as I was walking through my neighborhood, I was thinking, like, okay, I think now it's time to do a podcast. Who are the people that I think would really step into this and really stick with it and have the time to not just they they would believe, but they would have the time to put a practice into it. You both came to mind. I called you both in the same within the same hour. Uh so you told me something about innovation that really that was that was important. Do you remember what you said?
SPEAKER_05It was something along the lines of innovation is rarely premeditated, I think.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. What did you mean by that?
SPEAKER_05I think so much of the I think there's different levels because I think in a kingdom mindset, and then I also think in a worldly mindset, you know. But I think one thing that's true about both is that some of the best things and the most innovative things happen from people who are just like they're just outpourings of what's happening internally. You know?
SPEAKER_01Wow. Outpourings of what is happening internally. Why did you use that in our conversation when I first called you? Why is it because you think that this podcast is an outpouring of what is happening internally?
SPEAKER_05100%. I do believe how so well I know what I I spent time with you, you know, and I I know your mindset, and I know um when you when you gave the framework for what this podcast was gonna be, I thought it was completely, let's say, on brand for who I know you to be. Who do you know me to be? You are an innovator, you're a dreamer, you are a visionary. I think you're an artist. We've had this conversation. We we've had this conversation that uh, you know, what what is our in, but I believe you're an artist, man, and you're somebody who gathers yourself to be present in all that you do, and you allow God to lead you in creative ways, you know. And so I think that's what an artist is. And I know that what we're talking about, and and one thing I hope that people understand when they listen to this podcast is you are living what we're talking about. Like this is not just uh, this is not something that you came up with, like, okay, if I'm gonna do a podcast, I gotta have a brand and I gotta have the right thing to talk about that's gonna get people excited. This wasn't a this in my in my perception of it, this wasn't a gimmick, you know, not at all. This is not something that you came up with as a piece of entertainment because people are gonna like this, you know. This is something that you're to you. You're right, it's how you live, it's how you think it's it's really in you, you know. So what we're experiencing here is like it's an outpouring of what's happening within your life, you know.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh, man. I appreciate the words. Yeah, I appreciate the words, I appreciate the trust. I appreciate that you said yes to this. I honor the yes. Uh, you are putting a lot of work into this. I've told you this before, but I want you creating your own podcast because well, you are an artist too. Yesterday on during the the Grammys with the whole Justin Bieber performance to to the common eye, just a dude with no shirt, jaming on his guitar and singing Yukon. But there's more to it. There is there is some there's something about vulnerability that was trying to be communicated. Justin Bieber is an artist. Uh, you are an artist, and I think there is a lot of people in the world that want to get their around. Let's just be cool about it. Let's just be clever. There's a lot of people want to hang out around a rabbi in the creative industry like you. So creating the space for you to do that so people can come and hear about the greatest rabbi Jesus in you. It's big time. Yeah. Thanks for being here. I appreciate you. It's been a blessing. I appreciate you. I'm excited for season two. One thing, one thing that I will say. Think is important for the listeners. Um, I think each person is different when recording a podcast. Some people are extremely methodical in every way. Uh, some people are a little bit more free thinkers, not free thinkers, but a little bit more flowy. Uh both are gifts of God, both are necessary. Usually, people that are very methodical. It's important for them to hang out with people, to have friends that are more on the flowy side, and people that are more flow flowy. It's important to hang out with people that are very methodical. Uh, some of my best friends are very methodical people. Uh, I have a lot of people that are more flowy as well, but I I I the both are valuable. Concerning podcast, people that are very methodical, they they plan everything from like the title to the objective of statement of the pod of the episode. What does this episode need to accomplish? And they write it entirely, like the body, some people are as precise as building, almost like the same way with preachers. Like, some preachers they write their like they write their entire manuscript. Some people do podcasts where not that they write their entire manuscript, but they I'm sure there are people that do write their own man, like their entire manuscript, and they just speak from the manuscript that they already wrote it. I'm sure there are, right? I'm not thinking of anybody now now, but you better believe that there are people doing that, and that's that's how God designed them. That's beautiful, and we celebrate that. Some people don't even have a title, and they just go and they just flow, and that's fantastic. Where I sit is just I need one vision for the day, and if I have the one vision for the day, then I can speak for hours on that topic. Why? Because as you said, DeMarcus, and I appreciate that you've noticed that this is what I'm thinking about. So all of these episodes is just my common life. That's why in the very first episode I told everybody, like, I'm doing this as a student of you know, the theology of work, as a student of theology, as a student of business, as a student of economics. I am studying all of this. This is the outflow of my heart. Like, I it's the outpouring of my heart. I I love this. So but if I have an objectional, an objective of statement, this is where we are heading, this is what I want to accomplish. Then I give that that this is by the way, I'm explaining to you guys our process. I call uh Tay you, usually the day before, and I just call him like, hey man. Uh, this is what we taught, just a recap. This is what we talked about last week. This is what I'm thinking for tomorrow. These are the passages in the scriptures that we're gonna be using. This is like three things that's kind of in my mind. Just think some questions off of that. Sometimes he literally comes and he asks me one thing, and I just talk for an hour straight. Uh, sometimes I need a little bit more. So, for example, for today's episode, like I had like I wanted to explain to you guys a little bit of our process, some of the insight, literally what we are doing now, and talk a little bit about season two. Gave that to Tayu, text them yesterday. Uh, and then here we are. But a lot of like this is what I'm doing now. We are free-flowing, like the whole demar, like bringing the market. Like, I literally thought about that the right before we press play, you know. So, but that is our process. So, regardless, if you were trying to do something like this, or if you were trying to do a business, what was your quote again? Innovation is rarely premeditated. Innovation, write that down. Innovation is rarely premeditated. Why does that matter? Because in order to innovate, you must be doing something in real time. If you are not doing something, it's the whole idea of momentum. Like, you know, you get that object moving once you got you keep you gotta do the first trigger, and then you keep building the momentum, and the innovation will come as you work. Like, you better believe that there we have made a tons of mistakes on this recording, right? Like, for example, if you if you are with still with us, if this is your first time, or if you've been with us since episode one, I'm sure like we are trying our very best to do things, but like I move a ton. We never we are not recorded, we are not doing video, but I move a ton. So my hand, I it's always difficult because I don't like to contain my hand. I move my there uh the marcus is messing with me, like he's moving his his, I mean, jumping without jumping off the chair, you know, like because I move my legs a lot, and I so you better believe that that the cable I'm holding a mic with the cable, you know, tied to the whatever that thing's called, and like I move my hand, and then the the gives a little uh static, it it's complex. But season two we're gonna get better, and season three we're gonna get better, but we can only get better once we begin. It's very easy, especially in our generation. It's very easy to criticize when you are not doing anything. Yes, and I have made that mistake of criticizing people without doing it. How can I criticize something that I have not put my work into it? Oh, guess what? Now, like we've put a work on the first album, 12 more than 12 hours of recording alone, not counting editing work, not counting, not counting how we're gonna promote, we have a launch uh party that we want to do, like not counting all of that. And by the way, guys, do you think that I thought about a launch party when I started this podcast? I had no idea that I would do a launch party, like, and again, it falls back on your quote. Innovation is rarely premeditated. I don't know anybody has done that has done a launch party for podcasts. You better believe countless of people have done it. I just don't know anyone, I just never cared to look into it, right? But I thought about it. I tell you, one of the best event planners that I know. So we're gonna put something cool out there, you know. It's gonna be cool. I'm gonna invite some very specific people. As you are listening to this now, don't worry, it already happened, you know. So if you were invited, you're invited, you know. I mean, yeah, you know, like you I obviously cannot invite all the world. I'm literally paying for this out of my own pocket. Like, I'm inviting closest friends, you know, so uh a family. But I'm saying this because you have an idea in mind. If it's a podcast, if it's a song, if it's a book. For a book, for example, and I'm writing a book right now, I've been working on it for over a year. I'm finally on chapter 11, by the way. That's that's 32,000 words now. That's fantastic. Proud of you, thank you. I appreciate it because it's I mean, it's definitely an accomplishment over 30,000 words. That's fantastic. I've been dreaming about that forever, but yeah, it had to start for a long time. I I I mean, I had an outline, but I I wouldn't give myself up to start. What if all it takes is to start something? Like you were. I oh my gosh, I really want to sell clothes and go sell clothes. How do you go to Goodwill, buy some, you know, go to the how do you call it? The goodwill, like the the bins. You go to get the bins before they sell in the store. Yeah, you wash it nicely, you sell uh like off of Instagram, you just start some and then you in a no, but I really wanted to do this really nice Instagram page, guys. Like, I mean, uh to be honest with you, I have not fully decided the name of this podcast yet, and it's the last episode. Oh, we are about to launch this. Like, I but guess what? When it's about when it's time for us to publish, you better believe I gotta have a name. Why? Because otherwise, Apple and Spotify is not gonna let me release because I don't have a name. So I'm gonna so I'm gonna come up with a name. Yes, but you gotta you gotta begin, you gotta, you gotta start.
SPEAKER_03So uh for some reason, uh my mind won't let me let go of some of you just said uh it made me smile. You're talking about um just critics and criticism, and I imagine as you uh post this and post future seasons, you are opening yourself up to critics or criticism. It's hard, man. Yes. But I was thinking about this. Uh that whole phrase of like constructive criticism and uh realizing constructive criticism is really only valuable if if you're helping me construct, you know, like if you're helping build with me, then I'll take all the critical criticism in the world. Other than that, it's just criticism and you know you can't just to echo your sentiment to all those big men. You that's silly. Why would you like why would okay, you know, say whatever your words and let them roll off and keep moving? And uh if you're gonna help me build, cool. If not, keep it pushing, you know.
SPEAKER_01And that's the thing, because it's difficult, especially when you were doing something like that's one thing that I fear because I I I do fear like to say that I don't, it will be it will be a lie. I do fear this whole thing of theology of work is not mainstream, it's really not. It's I mean, there's some people that started to talk about more now, but it's not mainstream. Uh so to talk about theology, trying to apply theology to help entrepreneurs, to help young professionals that really want to excel in the marketplace, not just in the marketplace, but in leadership in any arena, like in ministry as well, you want to innovate, you want to have energy to contribute, right? You are called to create culture, you are called to make things, you're called to you know, create systems and products and services, and you are called to you see problems and you want to solve them. So wherever you are, if you are starting something or if you're working in a company, like I like to think an entrepreneur is a problem solver, and you solve problems in a way that you know, like I did an innovative way, and I even I I was even careful in using the word innovative because again, we often over-glamorized what doesn't have to be over-glamorized, just because of our hustle culture, and it's cool. Like if you go to Pinterest and type entrepreneur, oh bro, and I mean it's I mean that's inspiring, but the reality is that is five percent, maybe less than the time of an entrepreneur. Yeah, you are not all vibing and you know, and you are you know hustling and you're you know I I was doing my vision board with Laura. We we use that as a date night idea. By the way, that's a tip for you know, you're especially if you're married, that's a tip uh for a date night in January, you know, like your December, you do a vision board for the following year. So we did that, and it's funny how my vision board, like bro, like most of the like the the collar palette, black, like just black. And I wear if you know me, if you mean I wear black all the time. Yes, you know, the fact that I'm wearing like a green uh jacket, but I do have a black hoodie under it. Like, I mean I always wear black, so it's funny. I wasn't even thinking about it, but it ended up, it's I was I looked at it, I was like, oh my god, it looks like my Instagram, just black, you know. Uh uh, but uh uh when I typed entrepreneur on Pinterest, it's like it's uh it's this guy, you know, like running this marathon, you know, and and the little caption hustle. Like, I mean like it's super, it's almost like oh my gosh, is this is this interesting category of people, they are so spectacular. And and by the way, in order for you to be a successful entrepreneur, give it up to you because you gotta be spectacular. Why? Because everybody has an idea, the majority of people cannot follow through. So you have to be spectacular. Don't give me wrong. My point is the spectacular part is not that which looks spectacular for you to post on Pinterest. Yes, bro. The spectacular part is to be faithful with that vision that God has given you over decades.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_01So technically, I am speaking not as somebody that has been faithful for that. I mean, in some aspects, like I've been like in church leadership since I was 17 years old. So, in a way, it's over 10 years. So that's great, but it's still I'm only 32. So I'm not speaking as the old school guy, church leadership, entrepreneurship at 70 years of age, looking back and being like, okay, like yes, I I've done this. No, I am actually right there with the majority of my listeners. I'm 32 years old, I'm young. You know, I have a little one and a half year old at home. I've been married for eight years, and I'm building it in real time and figuring out in real time. I'm gonna make tons of mistakes and the cool things that they all become content for you guys because I'm not making a podcast looking back in the past, I'm making a podcast in real time in life in the present right now. And the reality is when I post it, people are gonna look at it, and a lot of people be like, Oh my gosh, that's so cool! Like, I wish I could do that. Guess what? You can. Yes, if you have something to talk about, you can you can do it. You gotta have something to talk about, and it has to you have to be faithful because the one of the biggest problems with the internet and with the social media world is that it became so democratic. So everybody that shouldn't have a voice now have a voice. That's the problem. Yes, everybody that should not have anything to say, now they got a million followers on Instagram or on TikTok, and they are promoting a whole bunch of nonsense. There's there's a lot of people getting their theology from TikTok. Yeah, bro. That that raises the necessity for really good theologians that are planted in the local church, doing life with real people to now say something online because they've been speaking in real life at their local churches with their people, and there are people watching their lives, and they have people that are over their lives and caring for them, they have peers that can check on them, and they have people that they've been serving for years. Now they go and say something. So it's it's the the the internet, it's kind of like Wild West, but in a way, now is it's becoming a little bit more sophisticated than even five years ago, because I think people are being able to spot not everybody, but it's more sophisticated today, where people are being able to spot what is real from what is not. There's way more skepticism, which is making social media a little bit not fully, but a little bit more sophisticated in the filter. People are being being people are people are like even people in church, people are like, okay, uh, you were uh where do you go to church? You know, like you were speaking fantastic. Where do you go to church? Which is important to ask that question, right? So I don't even remember I I don't even remember how we got here, but no, it's good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's good. Well, you kind of just got to um it got me to a point, made me smile. No one likes to be called dumb. Oh you know, so if you're if you're getting information and you're believing it, and you go and you try to live it out in real life or real time, and someone's like, that's dumb, or makes you feel dumb for that type of information, you're gonna think twice about going to that source, you know. For sure. So it just kind of cracked me up. But uh I I wanted to ask you this question. I think it's a great way to kind of transition, but I I want to ask you this question in a very specific way and let you just kind of do your thing and be Lucas. I think season two and any all other future seasons are gonna flow from like DeMarcus had mentioned earlier, what the Lord is naturally doing and stirring in through you. And so I kind of want to frame this question from that lens of like, well, what is God stirring in and through you at this moment as far as yes in this in this conversation, but also just the things that you're thinking about, the things that matter to you, the things that are g that get you standing up in this room that we're in and passionate and excited and energetic. I want to hear maybe the top three things, you know, if someone was like this like what can I well what is what is burning in Lucas right now? Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. You know, I I see myself as a bridge. Uh and what I mean by that is that I I don't know and I mean I'm being generous now to say I don't know many. And I reason I'm I'm saying I don't know many is because I'm not thinking of anybody right now. So I'm gonna say I don't know many because I'm sure there are. But I don't know many people who can who love theology for the sake of theology. They love, you know, like the the orthodox teaching of the church. You know, when I say when I say orthodox, I don't wanna like don't think about oh like Eastern Orthodox and blah blah blah. That's not what I mean is like what is the core teaching that the church has been believing on since forever, right? Like who is Jesus? Who is the Holy Spirit? Who what's the Trinity? Like what's the relationship between the Father and the Son, the Spirit, like you know, like uh the salvific faith. What is the faith? Like all of these things. What's the church? What's the work of the church? What is the uh you know, like what is the age to come, like the kingdom of God, like things like that. Uh there's not a lot of people that can talk about that that that loves that, that also loves the church because it's two separate things. There are people that love theology and don't love the church, and there are people that they love theology, they love the church, but they don't like business. There are people that they love business, they love the church, they don't know theology. So there's not, I'm I mean, there is not a lot of people that love the church, that loves theology and loves the marketplace.
SPEAKER_03Yes, bro.
SPEAKER_01There's not a lot of people talking about this stuff. At least I I mean because I was looking for myself because that's me. I love the three and the kingdom of God. It's I it's it's in all of them, you know. Like exactly that's that's it, right?
SPEAKER_03For sure.
SPEAKER_01So I'm uh in a way I see myself as a bridge why to get more. I'm sure there's a lot of people passionate about all of them. I want people to be inspired by what we are talking about and feel empowered to go into the marketplace and be like, dude, I have a theology degree, but I love business. I'm gonna go into the business world and I'm gonna, you know, I am gonna serve my customers for the glory of God. I'm gonna serve my boss for the glory of God. And and then I go when I go home, I I'm reading Saint Augustine. You know, but but the dude is like in sales, but it's reading Saint Augustine. Like, why, if you are in business, if you want to read something really solid, you just okay, I'm gonna read the Stoics, guys. You have no idea. No, like I mean, read it for all, I mean, it's up to you, but the cre there's no better tradition than the Christian tradition, and people need to become aware of that reality. And they are in business, but they go into the Christian tradition and they drink from that well. That is the well that's going to empower them to go into the business world and represent Christ there. So I want to be a bridge in that in that area, in that arena, but I also want to be a bridge for older people that are doing this, but they are not online. Yeah, or even people that are online, but I'm the people that I'm thinking now, they are not. That's why I'm saying this. I want to be able to be a bridge to connect business people. Oh, imagine imagine this. Imagine if you can have a conversation with a mentor that is willing to mentor you, and it's a guy that like has built businesses and you know, like all that, but also have a deep theological understanding. You know, this bridge of a business person with theology. Uh, so I want to provide the access on season two. That's what season two, a lot of season two, if not all of it, it's about that. It's me trying to connect some older guys that are mentorship voices, they are mentoring voices, empowering voices, people that are not just building in real time, but people that have built. People that are older, they've built, they failed, they succeeded. And now they have something to share because it happened 30 years ago and they are reaping the benefits today. So I have a list of people that I will be interviewing, which I'm very excited for. I'm not gonna be revealing any names now, but like I already have three people confirmed for season two. Yep, we always gonna roll on the 12 episodes. I love the number 12, so we're gonna keep rolling in 12 episodes per season. That's what season two is gonna be about. And yeah, man, that's it. I'm excited. I'm very excited, very, very, very excited for interviewing these guys. I I know the people that I already have confirmed, I know their brains because I spent time with them. So I think it's gonna be just fun to interview them and to just speak their brains for all of our listeners, you know?
SPEAKER_03So love that, bro. I really do. I think one of the things that has always uh been been a part of our conversations and interactions is the desire to see intergenerational connections. Oh, yeah, you know, on all three in all three phases of everything we talked about from a theological standpoint, from a church standpoint, and from a marketplace standpoint. So that's that's so exciting to see. And um I'm just excited to be a part of that. I'm excited to be able to listen with the rest of everybody listening as well, you know, and comment and like and subscribe and all of the things, you know. That seems like a that seems like a a productive way to spend my days.
SPEAKER_02I'm glad, and I'm glad that you will like and subscribe and comment and share to a hundred people.
SPEAKER_03Let's um where we at on time right now. Great. Let's uh let's kind of land this thing with some final words. Yeah. Whatever if there is um, I know we've kind of done this in a roundabout way, but I think I like asking this question open-ended. If if if you had the next five minutes to try to communicate one thing to one listener, whatever that listener is that's on your mind, on your heart right now, what's that one thing you hope to communicate in your words, in your way, and maybe you even take the time to describe the type of listener you'd be talking to?
SPEAKER_01It's a very good question. Uh the individual or the kind of person I'm thinking about now is a 20-year-old man who lives with his parents uh and is not in college right now, is working a lot, often 50 hours a week. Doesn't like their job, but doesn't want to quit either. Knows that he was created for more, he just doesn't know what the more is, but his room is a mess. I would propose that the first step towards clarity is to clean up their bedrooms and their cars. I would look at this man and I will say, clean up your car, take your car to the car wash today, vacuum it inside really well, clean it. Buy a little thing to smell good, but on the inside, you go to your room, your bedroom, and you clean your bedroom, look at look around your bedroom and think about all the distractions. You will see a TV there, and you remove the TV off your room, and now you will set yourself on a quest. The quest to write about your past with one question in mind. What was the defining moments of my life and where was Jesus there? Oh, but I wasn't a Christian, I just gave my life to the Lord six months ago. I'm gonna ask you again, where was Jesus there? Write it down, and then you write as question number two. Where are you now in your life? Write about your current job. Can I do it in my computer? You cannot, you have to write on paper. Why? Because it forces articulation, it forces thinking, enhance clarity, and then you write about your future. What is your future? How does your future look like? If God were to show up in front of you today and ask you, I'm giving you an opportunity to ask me anything regarding your future. What would you ask? You have to ask whatever you're thinking right now. What if I am thinking about the wrong thing? That's okay, still ask why, so your answer gets purified. Often people don't get what they often people don't get what they are asking for because they don't ask. And often they don't move at all in life. People have dude, there are people in their 60s that have been stuck since their 20s. People stuck for decades. Started working some jobs, started moving the little ladder really slow, but I mean they got comfortable, they learned to work with the money that they are making, and you know, and then the the the little 401k compounded. Now they they are retiring with, you know, like some money in the bank, then if they manage well, they will they will die okay. They know that they were made for more. Or what if what if if if you don't respond to the urges of respond to that more to that hunger? What if your hunger grows numb? And you come to a point that all you feel it's like it's barely hunger. You just got used to hunger, so you don't know what hunger looks like. So I would do that. Clean your car, remove the clutter, clean your bedroom, remove the clutter write about your past, right about your present, right about where you were heading. What else? Well, wait for season two, and you will figure out what's the next step. But I think that's it for today. So that's what I would say.
SPEAKER_03That sounds good to me, brother.
SPEAKER_01Well, thank you guys for this season. Uh I'm very excited for everything we've done. Very grateful, very honored for your time, for for everything. Uh, yeah, I think we've been it's been a journey, it's been good. And I'm excited for the future. Now we can continue to innovate because now we are doing something good. So thank you for listening to today's episode. Please like, comment, subscribe, send this to you. 102 people. You know, that will be fantastic. Thank you guys. May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face shine upon you, be gracious to you, may the Lord turn his face towards you and give you peace that his name may be known upon the earth. Love you all. Peace.
